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Council unanimously rejects Muslim School - listen to Mayor's speech and see slideshow

27 May, 2008 09:56 PM
Camden's proposed Islamic School has been unanimously rejected by Camden Council at its meeting tonight.

A subdued crowd of about 200 people were at the Camden Civic Centre for what turned out to be a muted debate on planning grounds rather than raw emotion.

Residents clapped when the vote was taken to oppose the school.

"We are the champions," one man said as he left the civic centre.

But the Quranic Society has already told the Advertiser that it will fight the rejection in the Land and Environment Court.

Camden/Macarthur Residents' Group president Emil Sremchevich spoke only about rejecting the proposal on planning grounds and did not speak on religious or racial concerns.

"I urge you to go along with the recommendation of your [planning] department because it's very important and it reflects the basic sentiments of this community," Mr Sremchevich told the meeting.

Seven of the councillors spoke, but all stuck to the script of speaking on the planning-based objections rather than wider community concerns.

Councillor Peter Johnson moved the motion that the council staff recommendation to reject the proposal be accepted and praised the report's depth.

"This is a detailed and thorough report, which has made our job a lot easier," he said.

Cr Johnson said he would welcome an Islamic school closer to his home in Catherine Field, possibly near the planned Leppington train station.

No one from the school spoke at the meeting.

Councillor David Funnell was applauded when he suggested that views across that piece of land should always be preserved.

"The view going down from the old coal road is quite nice and I would hate to see that view stopped."

Mayor Chris Patterson said the decision was made purely on planning grounds, not on ''religion or multiculturalism''.

There had been an increased police presence around the town centre during the afternoon and evening but there have been no reports of any problems.

Council staff last Friday released their report recommending councillors knock back the school because the Quranic Society failed to demonstrate that the site was suitable for its Camden College, which would have catered for 1200 primary and high school children.

During the eight months since the Quranic Society lodged its application, the council has received 3083 submissions, which included 3042 objections.

The council staff report cited potential traffic troubles at the intersection of Cawdor and Burragorang Roads, parking safety risks, inadequate footpaths and a high reliance on private transport among the reasons the school should be refused.

The report also stated that the school would compromise "important cultural, agricultural and heritage views and vistas of the Camden Floodplain" and that it would diminish the availability of grazing land.

The report dismissed a raft of concerns raised in public submissions, including that the school would cause Camden to lose its status "as an Australian country town", that crime would increase, that house values would drop, that there would be Arabic signs in Camden, that the Christmas Light Up Festival would stop, and that the school would have a negative impact on "heritage listed cacti".

One submission raised the issue: "Christians would not be able to construct a school in the Middle East, so why should an Islamic school be built in a Christian community?"

The report responded: "This is not a relevant planning consideration when assessing this proposal".

Keep watching our website for updates.

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I was against this proposal, but the only grounds on which it could be denied were planning grounds. The council officers have followed the protocols and they have decided that this does not meet the conditions required. Can we now return to normality or will the media still call us racist and rednecks.
Posted by frank, 23/05/2008 3:40:57 PM
I'm from Nebraska, USA, and have following this story very closely. My concern is that you folks' county council seems like it will commit itself to making the exact same recommendation if a Christian school wants to come anb build a school at this site. I am a committed Christian, the seemingly-naturalistic setting wehre they wanted to put this school looks like it speaks to God. Would the county council go against God's will if a Christian faith wanted to build a school on the same site?
Posted by Bob, 23/05/2008 8:12:51 PM
I think this is absolutely revolting. I was born and raised in Camden, and watched countless "heritage views and vistas of the Camden Floodplain" become obscured by cheap ugly housing estates. The new Camden High itself is an eyesore, while the old Camden High is still awaiting its demolition to make way for more affordable housing. Who is buying these houses? Not just white-flighters. Should we expect that Camden is not going to change over time...? We've been the butt of a big joke and the planning commitee has just delivered the punchline. At least the "heritage listed cactii" will be safe, no doubt thanks to the efforts of all those tireless cactii preservation campaigners.
Posted by Tim T, 24/05/2008 8:50:38 AM
Bob from Nebraska - you may not realise but Camden is NOT a Muslim area, whereas it would have a considerably greater number of Christians in the population. But aside from that - there is a good deal of social unrest conflict in the areas of Sydney with a high Muslim density and they are only so far 1.5% of the population! However, the Council has focussed on planning issues - and the fact is, that such a school would create a huge disruption for the area which is not able to cope with that kind of sudden impact and population and traffic density. If you wish to focus on principles - Islamic principles are discriminatory against Jews and Christians and go against the Education Dept's attitude of non-discrimination against women and other religions. How do you think Christians in the area feel about children learning the Qur'an which says Jews and Christians are 'apes and pigs'? How do you think they feel about learning the following Surah 9:30 says: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran /009.qmt.html#009.030 SHAKIR:(translator) 'And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; MAY ALLAH DESTROY THEM; how they are turned away!' If you deny the above you are denying the words of the qur'an itself, which is highly insulting to a Muslim. There is a difference between the way a Judeo-Christian, secular democratic society looks at the word and an Islamic way does. In human and societal terms the difference matters. It matters profoundly.
Posted by Skye, 24/05/2008 2:36:52 PM
This is a serious test for Australia to prove if it is a multicultural , fair and peaceful society for all ethnics or it is only all about empty slogans. Australian Muslems love this country and want to integrate but you are again and again listening to the extreme views that express nothing but hatred and islamophobia
Posted by Hany, 24/05/2008 10:08:45 PM
I believe there are many Camden people like me who have not wanted to inflame senseless conflict by entering a debate about this issue. Instead I have put my faith in our community leaders to not be swayed by the narrow-minded and ill-informed opinions of an outspoken minority, and to make decisions based on planning grounds. I only hope 'planning grounds' will not be used to make a 'popular' decision leading up to Council elections. If there are valid planning issues I assume the Quranic Society will be given the opportunity to address these. I would like to hear from Council about how approval can be given for the increase of our population to 150,000 by 2025, with Oran Park and Turner Road currently on the drawing board, if increased traffic, impact on our rural vista, and lack of other infrastructure are seriously seen as issues warranting refusal of this application.
Posted by Mark, 25/05/2008 2:11:47 PM
It was a serious test for nothing. All these people claiming that a planning decision is a test for their favourite agenda really have a most tenuous grasp on reality. The council is bound to decide the matter on the planning instruments before it, which do not contain a consideration of religion. If you do not like democracy in Australia, go to Iran.
Posted by Darrin Hodges, 25/05/2008 2:29:55 PM
Bunch of coward Reject The islamic school when will benefit everyone NOT just muslims :D
Posted by AbuSufyan, 25/05/2008 4:04:17 PM
Because Australia aims to be "a multicultural , fair and peaceful society for all ethnics" it must reject everything that would wreck these ideals. It is precisely for this reason that Australia and all peaceful, freedom loving countries must reject Islamic teaching which has as its primary mission the forceful conquest of the world and the forcing of everyone into submission of sharia laws. The very word Islam means submission. Where's the proof? Well just look at Saudi Arabia, Iran and other Islamic countries - where's the multiculturism, fair and just society for all ethnic and religious peoples? It is time to stop being "politically correct" and call a spade a spade.
Posted by Hank, 26/05/2008 6:11:01 PM
According to the BBC report on this case, there are some 150 Muslim families living in the Camden area and the school is for 1,200 pupils. So the "local" Musilm children could only fill up a proportion of the school's capacity. Where will the others come from? It has been said from Sydney which is some istance away. In this climate of rising fuel prices, this makes no economic sense. Who will the cost be deferred to? Why can't the local Muslim children be educated within the Camden school system? They can always have a room or area set aside for their needs to pray during the day, can't they? There is a very fine line to be walked here, and the council has to walk it.
Posted by bobby, 26/05/2008 6:36:56 PM
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Q: Did Camden Council make the right decision to reject the proposed Islamic school?

Yes
(59.6%)

No
(28.8%)

We'll see after the court case
(11.6%)

Total Votes: 371
Poll Date: 27 May, 2008

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